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Lisa Phillips: Affordable Real Estate Investments

How do you make affordable real estate investments? We answer that question and more in this episode as Shannon Robnett interviews investing coach and property educator Lisa Phillips. Lisa talks about how investing out of state for your first property is easier than you think and understanding new ideas and success stories of making real estate investing work by shifting your mindset.


In this episode, Lisa and Shannon discuss:

• Investing in rental properties in minority neighborhoods

• How to invest in real estate part time

• Finding markets out of state.


If you want to learn more about how to invest out of state, and how to invest using

cryptocurrency, Lisa has all the information you need to get there. You’re going to want to tune in and hear what Lisa says on this episode of The Real Estate Rundown.

Kent Ritter: Multifamily Investing

Investing in multifamily properties is a great way to leverage capital in the world of real estate. In this episode, Kent Ritter and I talk about how his company, Hudson Investing, has gained profit through small multifamily investing and how Kent uses technology to add value for his tenants. He also reveals how he built a company that aligned with his mission and how you can do the same.


Kent is on a mission to create modern, affordable housing for America's workforce while empowering others to take control of their financial future through real estate investing. Since 2019, Kent led the acquisition of 440 units and deployed over $6 Million worth of investor capital into cash-flowing real estate through his firm, Hudson Investing.


If you want to learn more about how to passively invest like a pro and take control of your future through real estate investing, Kent has all the information you need to get there and more. Tune in and hear what Kent says on this episode of The Real Estate Rundown.


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Alvin Johnson: Multifamily Developing

Multifamily development is the new wave in the syndication space. In this episode, Alvin Hope Johnson and I talk about how he started Multifamily Monopoly and the Hope Housing Foundation, a non-profit, affordable workforce housing organization.


Alvin is the President of Multifamily Monopoly, an educational platform where he helps investors looking into multifamily development and ownership. Starting out as a volunteer to now being a millionaire, Alvin has held on tight to his roots of giving back to the community. With the Hope Housing Foundation, a nonprofit affordable workforce housing organization, he’s helped many people find a place to live while helping investors do good financially by doing good in the community.


If you are looking to learn more about the tenacity and hope to keep your motivation and carry forward in your investment dreams, Alvin has all the information you need to get there. You’re going to want to tune in and hear what he says on today’s show.


If you liked what Alvin had to share today, go ahead and give him a follow as well on FacebookLinkedIn, and Instagram.


Sarry Ibrahim: Bank On Yourself

What is the “Bank on Yourself” concept and how does it help real estate investors? In this episode, Sarry Ibrahim and I talk about how he helps high net worth individuals, real estate investors, business owners, and retirees grow and protect their wealth predictably and safely, as well as how to become your own source of financing! Sarry is a financial consultant and the Founder of Financial Asset Protection.

If you are looking to learn more about leveraging your money, Sarry has everything you need for you to reach your desired destination. You're going to want to tune in and hear what he says in this episode of The Real Estate Rundown.

If you liked what Sarry had to share today, go ahead and give him a follow as well on LinkedIn:


Neil Wahlgren: Single Tenant Risk Vs. Demographic Market Risk

What are are sale leasebacks and how can someone navigate absolute NNN Leases? In this episode, Neil Wahlgren and I talk about industrial as an investment asset class and how it differs from multifamily. We also discuss how to look at single tenant risk compared to demographic market risk.


Neil brings nearly two decades of leadership in operations and capital markets. Prior to MAG Capital Partners, he led a Bay Area real estate investment firm, raising capital for over $200M in projects. Before that, he logged over 2,500 flight hours piloting the C-130 in the Air Force and Navy. Following combat tours to Iraq and Afghanistan, Neil concluded his military career as a Lieutenant Commander.


If you are looking to learn more about Industrial Focus Transitions and how to differentiate between industrial and multifamily investing, Neil has all the information you need to understand it. You’re going to want to tune in and hear what he says on today’s episode.


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J. Massey: Short-Term Rental Investing

How can someone leverage short-term rentals without owning property? What makes short-term rentals a “gateway drug” for real estate investing? In this episode, J. Massey and I talk about how he got his start in real estate investing, the people he has impacted, and the vision he has for the future of his company. J. currently functions as a landlord, private lender, real estate investing consultant, investment manager, speaker, author, mentor, and community advocate. He now educates others on how to invest in residential multifamily and commercial properties for passive income via wholesaling and raising private capital.


If you are looking to learn more about the reasons short-term rentals are great for every demographic and leveraging podcasting to grow a real estate coaching business, don’t miss this episode. You’re going to want to hear what J. says on today’s show.


If you liked what J. had to share today, go ahead and give him a follow as well on Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter, YouTube, and Instagram and check out his podcast, Cashflow Diary on iTunes:

@cashflowdiary on all Social Media Platforms


Shift Your Mindset To Find Bigger Opportunities With Kirk Barnes

Are you working so that your children don't have to work? Are you working so that they have an education? People often think about working only for themselves. Maybe it's time to shift the mindset a little bit. Work not just for your first generation of kids but for your third or fourth. Life is too short to just give up and accept where you are now. You can always aim higher. Kirk talks more about this with Shannon Robnett on the show. Join in and discover how networking can help you in your business ventures. Learn ]how to work for the future of your children and how you can always strive to be better. 

Chris Miles: Speed Up Your Journey Towards Financial Freedom

A lot of people just want to retire and have financial freedom. But how can you do that if you're in debt? In this episode, Chris Miles and I talk about how he retired TWICE, how to get your Max ROI infinite banking to pay you twice, and how you can get your money to work for YOU! We also discuss the 7 secrets to free up your cash, how to create an anti-financial plan, achieving financial independence, and how to “double-dip” on your investment returns. Chris is the Founder of Money Ripples. He is also a cash flow expert, author, podcast host, and a leading authority on teaching entrepreneurs how to get their money to work for them.


If you are ready to learn how to create passive income right now, gain financial independence, and infinite banking, and the real reason financial advisors suck, tune in now to this episode of The Real Estate Rundown and find out what Chris has to say about it all!


If you liked what Chris had to share today, go ahead and give him a follow as well on Facebook, LinkedIn, and Instagram:

FB: @chris.miles9177

IG: @chriscmiles

LI: @chriscmiles

Rod Khleif: The Right Mindset For Real Estate

It’s important to be as clear as possible about what you want and why you want something. With the right mindset, you could achieve your goals and dreams. Rod Khleif and I talk about why the new rule of real estate investing is to focus on cash flow, not value. If you’re buying real estate to hold, you should consider buying a multifamily. Rod Khleif is a multiple business owner and philanthropist passionate about real estate, business, and giving back. We will discuss the first thing an aspiring real estate investor should focus on when considering real estate, how to push through fear and take massive action and why your psychology is more important than technical knowledge in real estate.

If you are looking to learn more about why the right mindset is so key in this business and take that first step, don’t give up, even when you encounter major setbacks as Rod has. Want to learn about how to immediately propel yourselves into massive action? Rod has all the information you need to get there; you’re going to want to tune in and hear what Chris says on this next episode of The Real Estate Rundown.

Tony Andrews: Have A Customer Service Mindset And Focus

What steps do we need to take to be the entrepreneur that we have dreamed of for ourselves? With the right customer service mindset, we open doors for opportunities to achieve the hard-earned success we deserve. Tony Andrews and Shannon Robnett discuss why having a customer service mentality to maintain tenant relationships and build the trust needed to profit. Tony has a wealth of experience, having been in real estate for over 15 years. We dive into analyzing the market for rental demand compared to supply and vacancy rates. As entrepreneurs, we have to have a mindset that could drive a business to sustainable growth. In this episode, Tony shares the positive results that could spring from having a customer service mindset and what he’s providing to good renters to keep them from moving. If you are looking to learn more about how to invest in a property and how to invest in your tenants, Tony has all the information you need to get there. 



Shannon Robnett Industries’ Blog About Business

Shannon Robnett Industries (SRI) doesn’t just have a personal and financial stake in syndicating real estate deals in Boise, Idaho.  Shannon Robnett is building the future of his home town and investing in his back yard.  Because as you know Real estate success is only one sign of economic health, so the healthier businesses are overall, the more robust the economy is overall, improving the odds we have for success in real estate. It is one big cycle.
This is why SRI takes the time to maintain a blog about business. Our entries discuss some strategies we and our clients can employ to keep Boise’s economy--and our businesses--as strong as possible.

MoneyShow Virtual Expo: The Boise Growth Fund

Did you miss Shannon's MoneyShow Presentation?  Don't worry, we've got you covered!

In case you were not able to make it, below is the recorded version.

Shannon shared insider tools and tactics that have proven themselves to be an effective and profitable year in and year out. He also shares about the solution he is creating to allow investors the opportunity to quickly create passive income regularly without the headache or stress.

Tune in and find out how his solution can work for you.

Equity Multiple VS Internal Rate of Return

 In syndication deals, sponsors have metrics. This confuses the potential investors as it is hard to comprehend what every one of the numbers means and how it identifies with their investment strategy. 

Two often used metrics to measure potential returns are equity multiple (EM) and internal rate of return (IRR).  Investors use IRR to compare several deals and would pick the one with higher IRR.  However, this is not always true.

Equity Multiple

Equity multiple estimates the total returns from an investment. including cash flows from distributions, the initial investment (principle) and also any gains from appreciation of the property.  It is the ratio of this total over the original investment.  However, notice that there is no consideration for the element of time.  So a deal with an equity multiple of two only tells the investor that the sponsors have projected a “doubling” of the investor’s money.  However, over what period of time?

Here’s the formula for calculating an equity multiple:

Equity Multiple = Total Distributions / Total Equity Invested (principle)

Example 1:

An investor invested $1,000,000 in a deal.  The sponsor has distributed annual returns of $200,000 to the investor over a 5 year period.

$200,000 x 5 years + $1 million investment / $1 million total equity invested = 2.0x

In this example, an investor receives an equity multiple of 2.0.  In other words, for every $1 invested in the property the investor gets back $2. (An equity multiple greater than 1.0 means you receive more cash back than invested, while an equity multiple below 1.0 means less money is returned than what was originally invested.)

Example 2:

An investor invested $1,000,000 in a deal.  The sponsor has distributed annual returns of $100,000 to the investor over a 10 year period.

$100,000 x 10 years + $1 million investment / $1 million total equity invested = 2.0x

The equity multiple for both of the above examples is 2x, however as you can clearly see the hold period for example 2 is twice that of example one.   So an investor should not compare two different deals just based on equity multiples as two deals with the same equity multiple can have very different hold periods.  This is where the use of IRR becomes important.

Internal Rate of Return

The IRR calculation considers the time value of money (TVM) while the equity multiple calculation doesn’t. However, equity multiple reports the total cash return of an investment while the internal rate of return measures average cash return over a hold period, taking into consideration that the value of money depreciates over time.

A property with a high IRR may return more money to investors faster, but not necessarily more money overall. Here is an example:

In the above example the initial investment by the investor was $200,000. The total returns are $300,000 (including the initial investment of $200,000). The IRR for this deal is 18% and the equity multiple is 1.5x

Notice that the sponsor returned $100,000 back as distributions in year one which makes the IRR inflated.

In this second example we use the same initial investment of $200,000. However the distribution improves over time.  Notice that because in the IRR calculations the money earned today is weighted more than money earned tomorrow or the day after tomorrow the IRR for this particular deal is 11%.  However, the equity multiple for this deal still remains at 1.5x because the total returns haven’t changed between the two deals. So, IRR can be manipulated by timing the cash flows 

Based on the examples given, investment decisions should be based not only on one metric but all.

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Real Estate Development | Multifamily Construction and Syndication


In this video, Shannon Robnett talks about his 40 years of experience as a builder, developer, realtor, and multifamily syndicator.

Aaron is a private money lender and real estate agent in Austin, Texas who helps real estate investors, builders, and developers leverage their money to get higher returns on their deals. 

He also help buyers buy homes in the Austin area. He post videos relating to the following topics: 

• Real estate investment 

• New construction • Spec homes 

• Fix/flips 

• Finance 

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Boise Ground Up Construction Multifamily Investor Returns with Shannon Robnett

"They realize that they don’t want to hold that for five to seven years, because it marginally improves from there. But the main value like you said before we started the show, the original value add was the ground up development, putting the sticks and stones together, creating the value by putting the tenant in and creating that cash flow. And liquidating at that point as soon as you can, because the sooner you can get your your 25% return, the better that looks because if it takes you eight months to do it, versus 12 months to do it versus 16 months to do it, you’re still getting a 25% return but your IRR or your return for the year is substantially affected by the duration of time." - Shannon Robnett

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APT Capital Group - Ground Up Development with Shannon Robnett


Few deals can promise the high returns that you can get from ground-up development. Today we bring in ground-up expert Shannon Robnett to discuss this asset class. With 40 years in real estate and having completed over 200 million dollars in construction projects, we open our conversation with Shannon by touching on his career highlights. After sharing why ground ups can be such valuable investments, Shannon dispels the myth that ground ups are always risky, especially when compared with multi-family risks. We chat about how having a reputable and experienced team mitigates most ground-up risks before diving into common challenges that ground ups. Reflecting on how the pandemic has led to huge population shifts, we talk about why now is one of the best times to get into ground-up. Near the end of the episode, Shannon gives listeners his insights into how he picks his projects, the importance of understanding your market, what real estate tool he can’t live without, and the main takeaways from his biggest real estate mistake. Tune in to learn more about lucrative ground-up investing.

Key Points From This Episode:
Introducing seasoned investor and ground-up expert, Shannon Robnett.
Shannon shares details about his extensive real estate experience.
Comparing the multi-family risks versus ground-up risks.
What makes ground up such an excellent asset class. How you can reduce risk when making ground-up investments.
Why now is a better time than ever to get into ground-up investing.
Exploring the challenges that many ground-ups face. How ground-up beginners often make mistakes with their timeline.
The importance of knowing your market when making deals.
Hear Shannon’s advice on getting into ground-up. Insights into how Shannon picks his market and develops different asset classes.
How Shannon grows his business by picking the best possible people for the job.
The top real estate tool that Shannon can’t live without.
Shannon shares the main takeaways from his biggest investing mistake.

For today’s show notes, including audio and links to all the resources mentioned, visit www.aptcapitalgroup.com/podcasts.
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To find out more about partnering or investing in a multifamily deal email info@aptcapitalgroup.com.

5 Talents Podcast - $200M in Construction Projects; How to Get Started with Real Estate Syndication


Real estate runs in Shannon Robnett’s blood. He belongs in a family involved in real estate--5 generations now--and continues to pay it forward in the last 40 years, focusing on the multifamily and industrial spaces as a developer. 

His decade’s worth of experience in real estate led him to participate in over $200 million in construction projects including fire and police stations, schools, and industrial and mini storages. He didn’t do all this by himself, and that’s what he’s going to talk about today. 

Let's listen to Shannon to know how to get started in real estate syndication! 

[00:01 - 06:14] Opening Segment

  • Let’s get to know Shannon Robnett
    • 5 generations in the real estate 
  • College is an option, not a be-all, and end-all
[06:15 - 17:06] The Ultimate Value-Add 
  • We talk about the “ultimate value-add” in real estate 
  • What you should do if you want to bring a value-add
  • Shannon wants you to remember this real estate advice 
[17:07 - 30:23] A Community of Multifamily Syndicators 
  • Shannon talks about his approach in real estate 
  • He gives interesting insights about real estate partnerships 
    • Don’t focus on everything
  • Shannon’s tips to start investing in real estate 
[30:24 - 40:44] Success in Real Estate
  • The belief that you can succeed in real estate
  • Connect with Shannon! Links below
  • Shannon shares 2 books you should read!
[40:45 - 44:35] Closing Segment
  • Final words from Shanon and me

Our Expanded Social Media Presence
In addition to our blog, Shannon Robnett Industries is active on:

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A home base for all things SRI, including an  e-calendar to  book discussions about ground up real estate syndication.
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Robnett’s Real Estate Rundow: An audio version of many of our YouTube videos. Ideal to listen to in your car or otherwise on-the-go.
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A series of videos that frequently include interviews with our favorite financial experts.
If you have questions about Shannon Robnett Industries’ role in the local real estate investment industry or would like to suggest topics for this blog, contact us or call 208-405-6176 today. We would love to hear what our community members have to say and the type of financial advice you find most useful. We care about Boise and surrounding cities because we live and work here. We’d love to help you make investments that make you happy to live and work here, too.
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